Foundation

Indimellem surfer jeg hjemmesider med katte, bare for at se forskelige opdræt, nye killinge billeder mm :smiley: Jeg faldt så over en side/opdrætter, hvor man havde en udenlandsk foundation kat med ukendt baggrund, som formodentlig skal bruges i avl. I dette tilfælde Maine Coon.

Min tanke er så - hvorfor - i en race der er så udbredt og med en kæmpe genpulje ville man tage en ukendt kat ind, der i princippet kan være lavet af hvad som helst (og have hvad some helst med sig rent genetisk) ind i en allerede veletableret race? :gruble:

Og hvordan får man en sådan kat registreret, for det kan man vel ikke i de allerede etablerede forbund eller?

Hvornår synes du det er en god ide at bruge foundation? Og ville du tillade det i den race, du interesserer dig for?

Personligt ville jeg nok synes at racen skulle have et problem - et kæmpe et - hvis jeg fandt det nødvendigt at bruge foundation med en helt ukendt stamtavle/ukendte aner. Jeg aner faktisk slet ikke i hvilke racer det overhovedet er tilladt?

Kunne godt tænke mig at vide mere om emnet fra alle sider og vinkler, så derfor dette opslag :ok:

Jeg MENER at foundation er tilladt/brugt i siam avl. Jeg ved den er i Koraterne som jo er en afart af siam (Camilla, slå mig ikke L)

Til en vis grad er det vel osse brugt i Europé avlen?

Ellers ved jeg ikke rigtig noget om det :slight_smile:

Jeg går generelt ikke ind for brug af vold:tihi:, MEN jeg plejer at kalde SIA/ORI/BUR/KOR/Khao Manee/TICA Thai (og andre korthårede racer fra Østen med normale haler) kusineracer :wink:

Jo, Korat bruger stadig foundation. Dog er det sjældent gadekattene, vi bruger direkte - vi vil gerne have optegnelser af forfædre for mindst 3 generationer fra en anerkendt opdrætter i Thailand. Der er i de senere år blevet etableret både CFA og TICA klubber i Thailand, så nu er det faktisk muligt for opdrætterne derude at registrere deres katte, så de er nemmere for os i Vesten at importere. Uanset hvor mange generationer der registreres, er kattene i Thailand oprindeligt gadekatte - vi kan DNAteste dem for mange ting, men der er også meget, vi ikke ved om dem - det gør arbejdet med foundation kattene spændende og ind i mellem ganske besværligt.

Lidt natlæsning til dig - og hvem der ellers orker - Mette :wink: Jeg har kopieret hele artiklen af Judith Schultz, Prairiebaby og den kan findesher i sin originale form.

Note: After introducing 12 new bloodlines into the Maine Coon breed, we have now retired from this time- and money consuming adventure. An extended version of the article below has been published in * Maine Coon International * and other magazines/media sources worldwide.[CENTER]

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[FONT=georgia]The term foundation is quite confusing, isn’t it? Let’s try to simplify: In the beginning of the Maine Coon breed there were several different foundation lines. Those were the lines our whole breed was founded on. Every owner of a first generation Maine Coon cat was a foundation breeder at one point in time.[/FONT]

Nowadays, we call it foundation breeding, when people are creating new lines by introducing foundation cats into the general gene pool of the Maine Coon breed. When we speak of foundation lines, we mean newer bloodlines that are not yet present in nowadays, common pedigrees.

[CENTER]We are very fortunate that the stud books for the Maine Coon are still open in the American Cat Association. This allows us to broaden the effective population of our breed - a very important process to fight immune related and genetic problems. When looking at the present situation, every Cattery should consider eventually adding some new lines - while this is still possible.
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Foundation breeders introduce carefully selected North American and Canadian blood lines, in order to widen the gene pool and improve hybrid vigor. The aim is not to create mixed breed cats, but to introduce a little outcross blood into the Maine Coon breed.

The Maine Coon is still hardy and strong - compared to many other breeds. However, like in most purebred species, the gene pool in our breed is relatively small, which has led to several immune system-related and genetic problems.

The following paragraph is from a breed article from the CFA website:

<<Favoured varieties of today have been bred sire to daughter and cousin to cousin until their breeds are ruined […] man’s insistence on upon breeding in order to perpetuate features approved in the show ring has produced animals of weak constitution, prone to such conditions as skin troubles, lacking in intelligence, no longer mentally alert, eventually stupid; and at last breeding with difficulty: a state of affairs leading in the end to the sterility and death of the breed.">>

Q: What is an F1 or F2?
An F1 is a first generation Maine Coon foundation cat. This cat is preferably found in the wild or on a farm. None or only one parent of an F1 is known and registered. An F2 is a second generation Maine Coon foundation cat where both parents are known and registered. An F3 is a third generation Maine Coon foundation cat where both parents and both grandparents are known and registered. An F4 is a fourth generation Maine Coon foundation cat - and so forth.

Q: What is the difference between foundation, part foundation and outcross?

Before looking for outcross it is important to understand the words foundation, part foundation and outcross. A foundation cat we call a cat from newer lines that are 100 % different from the ones in a common pedigree. A part foundation cat is a cat with a certain amount of foundation mixed with a pedigreed cat from common lines. Part foundation Maine Coons can vary a great deal in their foundation content. Most times, cats in higher generations have less foundation content than cats in lower generations unless the foundation breeder manages to keep up high foundation numbers for several generations. Part foundation cats and even some full foundation cats can already have a pedigree with several generations. An outcrossed cat can be anything from foundation to part foundation to a cat with a regular pedigree. It all depends on what we are outcrossing to. So, the word outcross can be misleading as well. A cat can be a half-sibling to one cat and a total outcross to another. Some people consider a cat with a full pedigree, but a low Clone or Heidi Ho content a sufficient outcross to other pedigreed cats. For an explanation of the words Clones, Top Five, Top Three, Top Two and Heidi Ho please visit the Maine Coon Heritage Site http://bowen1.home.mindspring.com/mchs/home.htm on the internet). Others feel that every cat with a pedigree from show lines needs a part foundation cat to get sufficient results regarding health.

Q: I want to start outcrossing. How much foundation content do I need?

Fist of all you should be commended for taking a step into the right direction. In the beginning, it might be a good idea to run all your pedigrees through the Swedish Pedigree Database on the internet:www.pawpeds.com , find out about their Top Two, Three, Five and Clone content, and make decisions accordingly. What is your goal? Do you want to provide others with outcross or do you simply freshen up your own lines? When looking at your pedigree, it is important to also consider foundation cats besides the five most common ones, in order to find a suitable outcross. They might vary to some extent in certain pedigrees. If you have mostly cats with full pedigrees and all from common show lines, where Clones are often skyrocket, it might be best to look for part foundations with a relatively high foundation content, since a pedigree with low Clones or Heidi Ho will probably not do the job for you. Then think about what generation you want to start with. Remember that cats in lower generations cannot be shown in Championship class. If that bothers you, you might be better off with an F4, F5 or F6. Also, check with your association in your particular country on what the requirements are. If you are a new breeder, stay away from early generation cats and cats with a very high foundation content. When deciding on the foundation content in the cat you are purchasing, ask yourself the question: How much fresh blood will be necessary for my breeding program to boost immunity in my kittens and/or hopefully get rid of problems that have manifested themselves for many years? Sadly, nobody can answer that for you. All we can do here is guess. Some breeders might not have experienced major health problems in their breeding program. They are simply looking for outcross to increase hybrid vigor in their kittens and to be proactive.

Q: I have been breeding for a while and want to bring in some fresh blood. What do I do?

If you already are an established cattery and want to bring in some fresh blood, start with very carefully selecting the pedigreed breeding cats that you want to use with your new foundation cats. This is probably one of the most important steps for successful outcross breeding. Before going on a search for outcross, evaluate your own breeding stock in an objective manner. Kind of from the outside looking in. Try to chose the best and healthiest only - do this in a very critical manner. Don’t try to fix up cats that already have many health problems. Females should be proven queens and mothers of several healthy litters without deformities, a low stillbirth rate and a reasonable litter size. There are still quite a few healthy Maine Coons out there, even with a 26 generation heavily line bred pedigree!! If you have a choice, try to use only cats with healthy gums and teeth and a good immune system. Also, watch for gentle and loving temperament and of course a good type and size. You will need good quality traits to balance out the weaknesses in your foundation cats. Do us a favor, don’t start an outcross program with mediocre looking Maine Coons please.

If you have a big cattery, a foundation/part foundation male would probably be more economical and get you further ahead quicker than a female. Remember, you are on a journey and looking for outcross will be something you will need to do on a regular basis in the future, if you seriously want to help our breed. To find breeders who work with outcrossed lines, you can visit the heritage site, but be aware of the fact that not all Catteries displayed on this site actually work with newer foundation lines.
When it is time to buy new breeding stock from foundation breeders, be on the alert. We have heard horror stories about living conditions and breeding practices. There are just as many BYB among foundation breeders as there are among show line breeders. Get many references and ask many questions. Visit the facility if you can. Make sure they test their breeding stock for breed-specific genetic problems like HCM, PKD, HD, etc. Also, they should take disease control and hygiene very seriously. Reputable foundation breeders will not sell breeding stock until they feel confident about their new line. Early generation cats will often only be traded with friends in order to try out the lines together. Sometimes early generations will be sold to breeders after the breeder had several healthy litters with a cat and feels relatively secure to release the offspring. So, there is the possibility to purchase an F2 or F3 after a few years of work with these new cats.

Q: If outcrossing is the best way to get rid of health problems, why test for Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM), Poly Cystic Kidney Disease (PKD) and Hip Displasia (HD) ?

Just as much as testing without outcrossing is not sufficient, it is the same vice versa. Even though outcrossing is the most efficient way to breed away from genetic problems, testing for genetic diseases is still required. Even though we have a good idea where heart problems in our pedigreed cats came from, there is a chance that a foundation cat could be diagnosed with HCM or some other heart disease as well. The fact is that we have enough problems in our breed already. So we want to carefully watch not to double up on weaknesses in certain organs or body parts. There is no point in outcrossing if we don’t go all the way and use all medical science available to reduce the risks of genetic problems. Also, remember that testing without appropriate selection is a complete waste of time.

Q: What can I expect health wise?

It took many years for our breed to get to a point of great concern. Problems will not go away overnight. Foundation breeding is not the answer to all health problems. A new line will not perform a magic trick on our breeding program. That’s why we call it “working with foundation.” Yes, outcrossed cats can get sick too. They will, like all other species, carry undesirable recessive genes that might never show up until bred to a cat with the same problem. We are talking about genes that usually get lost in the process of outcrossing - but not always. Also, each breeding can bring us between one to four new gene mutations that would have not happened in any other breeding. No guarantees here folks!

Please note that the following things are very likely to happen but nobody can promise you that they will actually happen overnight - some things might not happen at all - some things might even get worse. Do not blame the foundation Maine Coon if things don’t work out the way you expected:

What we will most likely see is a positive effect on the cat as a whole. We will probably find our cats to become more intelligent and less irritable. Excessive shyness or aggressiveness in certain lines can disappear over a few generations. We will probably see less problems in conception, birthing and kittening - often already in the outcrossed daughter of an inbred female. We will most likely see less deformities, less stillbirths. A greater number of babies will survive common respiratory problems - without or very little medical intervention. There will be fewer reactions to vaccinations. We will eventually get larger litters with not many runts. Weight and size of males and females will be more equal in our litters. We can have less diagnosis of early cancer and Fip which are all mostly immune related problems (Fip lately being suggested as having a genetic factor as well). Gums and teeth will eventually get better. Again, the benefits of a breeding program might not show until two or three generations of outcrossing. Our goal is also to diminish heart, kidney and joint problems - a goal that can be reached as well if we outcross on a continuos basis, make no harmful compromises and test all breeding stock on a regular basis. Did you know that the outcrossing/testing/selecting process can improve your future OFA hip results immensly?

Q: I only sell to pet homes. Do I need to outcross?

Absolutely!! Many people believe that only people who provide other breeders with outcross do something good for the breed. However, is it not the pet owners who will promote our breed the most? Is it not them who deserve a healthy companion with a good immune system? Pets have the same value as breeding cats and deserve to be outcrossed. Yes, people who only sell to pet homes will greatly benefit from broadening the gene pool in their breeding program.

Q: I am a beginner. Can I work with foundation?

With early foundation? Definitely NO. It is very important to get to know the breed standard first and also to learn about genetics, health and colors of this breed. This can take several years, sometimes a decade. However, having said this, I personally believe that it can be more rewarding for a new breeder to start out with cats that have a nicely outcrossed pedigree. The art of breeding is mostly acquired through mentorship and experience and it is probably easier for a newbie to worry about refining traits than having to deal with deformed ribcages, no teeth in their cats’ mouths at age two, births with the intestines inside out and kittens sold to pet owners dying of immune related- or genetic diseases. A lot of breeders have started out the common way, have landed flat on their faces and are now desperate for outcross. Supportive mentorship and a group of people to work with is the key to successful outcross breeding. However, it is for sure more advisable for a new breeder to start with an F5 or F6 outcross, where much previous work with this particular line has already been done. Most times a pretty good standard type is already reached by this time which makes it easier to achieve satisfactory results - in regards to type.

Q: I have worked hard for years to bring my lines to where they are now. I do want foundation, but please with rabbit ears and alligator muzzle!

We often see people wanting to buy outcross but at the same time not willing to sacrifice a little bit of type. On one hand we want foundation, on the other hand we really want this cat to be decent looking. Sadly, high foundation content, early generation Maine Coons cats often do not conform in every way to the current standard and most often need to be worked with (so do some show cats by the way :-). If you are looking for a Maine Coon with a high foundation content, you are required to work in your own breeding program to achieve better looks. There will always be some effort involved. Foundation breeders cannot be expected to provide a finished product without fault or wrinkle. If you are suffering from “regional winner syndrome”, outcrossing won’t be too much fun for you.

Let me encourage you with this: Don’t look at the pictures of EARLY foundation cats. Look at the ones that are presently being produced. Did you know that several F5 and F6 Maine Coons are being successfully shown in several associations?

Et link mere http://pawpeds.com/pawacademy/genetics/testbreedingmc/index_dk.html

OK Camilla :smiley: Det er jeg glad for :slight_smile: Og ja, kusine eller søsterracer… Som jeg har forstået det (og jeg kan sagtens ta’ fejl!) deler thai’erne katte i blå = korat, maskede = siam men… øh hvad så med de blå orientalere? Er det en vestlig race? (jeg spørger fordi jeg først kommer i tanke om den lille ting nu mens jeg skriver L)

sidst jeg snakkede med Leslie Lyons opfordrede hun alle til at se på koraternes arbejde med foundation og udparringer og gøre dem kunsten efter - racekatteavl er ret nyt (ser man bort fra ægypterne :slight_smile: ) så alle racerne ligger umådelig tæt genetisk iflg hendes flotte undersøgelse af DNA hos tamkatte - plus de vildkattearter de nedstammer fra er stort set ens også… så det kan der komme grumme ting ud af på sigt er man ikke obs.

Du kan finde hendes skema her på KG eller i UC Davis side - eller jeg kan finde det senere. Man kan overraskes over hvilke racer, der er tættest beslægtede…

Ja, den blå orientaler er et vestligt fænomen - opstået i kølvandet på diverse ind og udkrydsninger hos siam, for at sikre andre racer, for at give nye maskefarver, for at findselvpågrunden :slight_smile:
Den blå kat, der omtales i det der thailandske oldgamle digt, som jeg bare ikke kan huske, hvad hedder, er Koraten - den lille blå lykkekat med de smukke grønne øjne Si Sawat :slight_smile:

Jeg snupper lige den allersidste sætning i artiklen for Pia:

Let me encourage you with this: Don’t look at the pictures of EARLY foundation cats. Look at the ones that are presently being produced. Did you know that several F5 and F6 Maine Coons are being successfully shown in several associations?

Praktisk talt i al den tid, jeg har kendt Camilla/dkkorat, har hun været involveret i hvad hun selv kalder sit Thai-projekt… Dvs indkrydsning af katte mere eller mindre direkte fra Thailand.
Det kan ses på kattene.
Den første Korat, jeg lærte at SE og som jeg den dag i dag synes er SMUK, er netop sådan en Korat F3 eller F4… Jeg kan godt se, at som korat betragtet er hun bestemt ikke noget at råbe hurra for (alt det jeg synes er smukt, får en koratopdrætter til at gyse :smiley: ). Med tiden har hun dog rettet sig og ligner nu mere en lidt kikset korat, fremfor en kikset orientaler…
Jeg er begyndt nu at kunne se thai-linierne i andre af hendes katte - og jeg kan godt se, at de adskiller sig fra de mere showegnede linier, som hun naturligvis også bruger…
Det har været - og er - utroligt spændende at følge et opdræts arbejde på denne måde…

Når talen kommer på brug af foundation hos andre racer, er der racer, hvor jeg ligesom Mette/justice, simpelthen ikke fatter ideen… MCO og NFO bla. Genpuljen er så absolut stor og bred nok til at racerne sagtens kan klare sig uden indkrydsning af ukendte gener…
Derimod er der andre racer, som er meget tæt på at man kan mistænke indavlsproblemer… fx siam/ori og burmeser - begge racer kunne måske have stor glæde af at se nærmere på koraternes foundationsarbejde - de nødvendige katte sidder derude på de thailandske opdrætterstationer…
Arbejdet med foundation bør dog ikke være en enkelt lille opdrætters - for at det virkelig skal gavne racen som helhed er det noget der skal være udbredt indenfor en større gruppe samarbejdende opdrættere, der alle ser mere på racens bedste, fremfor fnidderfnadder menneskene imellem…
Det er lykkedes for Koraten - der er nærmest “tradition” for at der på verdensplan hele tiden er et par opdrættere i gang med et thaiprojekt, som følges intenst af andre opdrættere… men jeg kan sagtens forestille mig at det vil være ualmindeligt svært indenfor de fleste andre racer. Især de veletablerede og “gamle” racer…

I Thailand er en kat en kat:) De kaldes efter deres farver og mønstre:) MEN der findes opdrættere derude, der gerne vil bevare de oprindelige thailandske racer, som de er beskrevede i Smud Khoi The Smud Khoi of cats - all the pictures
Oprindeligt havde jeg ikke ORI med i listen over originale thailandske racer, for der skelnes ikke mellem forskellige blå/brune/røde/osv katte derude.

[QUOTE=lenschow;1105569]sidst jeg snakkede med Leslie Lyons opfordrede hun alle til at se på koraternes arbejde med foundation og udparringer og gøre dem kunsten efter - racekatteavl er ret nyt (ser man bort fra ægypterne :slight_smile: ) så alle racerne ligger umådelig tæt genetisk iflg hendes flotte undersøgelse af DNA hos tamkatte - plus de vildkattearter de nedstammer fra er stort set ens også… så det kan der komme grumme ting ud af på sigt er man ikke obs.

Du kan finde hendes skema her på KG eller i UC Davis side - eller jeg kan finde det senere. Man kan overraskes over hvilke racer, der er tættest beslægtede…[/QUOTE]

:tak:

[QUOTE=Ann K;1105580]Ja, den blå orientaler er et vestligt fænomen - opstået i kølvandet på diverse ind og udkrydsninger hos siam, for at sikre andre racer, for at give nye maskefarver, for at findselvpågrunden :slight_smile:
Den blå kat, der omtales i det der thailandske oldgamle digt, som jeg bare ikke kan huske, hvad hedder, er Koraten - den lille blå lykkekat med de smukke grønne øjne Si Sawat :)[/QUOTE]

:tak: :enig:

Jeg er totalt uvidende her. Hvad er det liiige foundation betyder? Jeg sidder her og forestiller mig avlere, der sminker deres katte :klapper:

Foundation betyder de første registrerede katte i din kats stamtavle.

Og hvis man ser mange generationer bagud, ser man sammenfald af gener, så det har en kæmpe indflydelse på de nuværende katte i racen. (Så det er sindssygt vigtigt).

Der arbejdes med foundation i burmeser og der er pt. flere foundation-godkendte katte beregnet til brug i burmeseravlen. Den mest kendte er nok Mod Daeng, der blev importeret fra Thailand (med kendte forældre og vist nok det ene sæt bedsteforældre) til USA for nogle år siden og som siden er blevet parret til både amerikansk traditional og amerikansk contemporary katte. Et afkom fra det sidste kuld, hun fik, bor nu i England, hvor hun - af indlysende årsager :wink: - vil blive parret med engelsk-typede katte.

Tilsvarende er der i England lavet dels en bevidst parring og dels en ups-parring (dagen før hankatten skulle snippes, fordi han ikke kunne parre!) mellem burmeser og Khao Manee, som er en forholdsvis ny race i Vesten og derfor i et vist omfang kan anses for at være thailandske “gadekatte”.

Mod Daengs afkom er registreret i både TICA og CFA og hun har været med til at ændre CFA’s regel om “rene” stamtavler i 8 generationer, så den nu kun hedder 5 generationer. Det har stor betydning for bl.a. burmeseravlen, hvor “Burmese” ikke må have rød, creme eller tortie i - nu - 5 generationer bag sig. Dette er for at adskille dem fra “European Burmese”, som reelt er blevet godkendt som særskilt race pga. den europæiske/australske brug af rød, creme og tortie. Med ændringen fra 8 til 5 generationer betyder det, at de amerikanske opdrættere har en lillebitte mulighed for at importere europæiske burmesere, der lever op til CFA’s krav.

Jeg tror på, at for burmeseren er det nødvendigt med et vist foundation-arbejde - helst så kontrolleret som muligt, så ikke alle laver udparringer til den samme type katte og ikke alle afkom ender i samme land. Derfor var jeg involveret på sidelinien i et hollandsk projekt om en parring mellem korat (F2 eller lignende lavt) og burmeser, der desværre blev skrinlagt, fordi burmeseropdrætteren lukkede sit opdræt af personlige årsager.

Der er en gruppe opdrættere, der arbejder på at få yderligere katte fra Thailand til Europa/USA, så der kommer lidt flere thailandske linier i brug :slight_smile:

Denne pige er oldebarn af Mod Daeng og dermed F4 burmeser i TICA-regi (kan bruges både til udstilling og avl)

Alt CFA-registreret afkom efter Mod Daeng, der kunne gentestes cbcb, er registreret som fuldgyldige burmesere og har kunnet udstilles.

Hende er er datter af Mod Daeng og CFA champion

så selvom man mister lidt type, behøver​ det ikke være så meget endda :slight_smile:

[SIZE=2]​Jeg kendte faktisk godt Prairiebaby artiklen - og som sådan kender jeg også godt baggrunden for og begrebet foundation. Min tanke var mere om hvor længe en race bør/skal tilføres foundationkatte med en total ukendt stamtavle? :gruble:For mig, hvis en foundationkat med fuldstændig ukendt baggrund skulle give mening hos Maine Coon feks - så ville den jo skulle findes i Maine i det område, hvor man fandt de første - og ikke hvor som helst i verden? Eller er det lige gyldigt så længe de ligner? :gruble:[/SIZE]

Klart! Klart! Foundation katte inden for enhver race, der stammer fra et bestemt område, bør kunne bevise, at de stammer fra det område. fx bør en foundation MCO kunne bevise at stamme fra naturen i Maine, en foundation NFO bør kunne bevise at stamme fra en gård i Norge, en foundation BRI/CRX/DRX bør kunne bevise at stamme fra en gård i UK, osv. ellers giver det IMHO ikke meget mening at snakke om foundation katte i en race.

Det undrede mig også Mette, hvis du ikke havde større kendskab end du umiddelbart virkede til :wink: Men der er sikkert mange der ikke gør, og den forklarer i al fald fint hvordan nogen opdrættere tænker og det er aldrig skidt at få et input af en anden art end ellers :slight_smile:

Hvis kun katte fra Maine skulle godkendes og kun katte fra Maine være godkendt, så har racen da et kæmpe problem, for en af de som ligger på stort set alle tavler er fra Florida. En race defineres jo på at de ligner hinanden fænotypisk og ikke på at de er ens genetisk.

De dygtige opdrættere der starter med en foundation kat gør et kæmpe arbejde INDEN de så meget som tænker på at registrere en kat, altså har de lagt mange ressourcer i at vide hvad der ligger bag og helst i flere generationer. Så ukendt baggrund behøver de absolut ikke have, men de vil jo altid fremstå sådan på en tavle.

Lige som der findes fjolser og uvidende i den almindelige avl af en race, så findes de jo også når vi snakker foundation. Der findes rigtig mange dygtige opdrættere der gør det i foundation, og vil man gå den vej og gøre brug af nye linjer, ja så må man finde frem til dem og ikke bare kaste hvilken som helst F et eller andet ind i avlen.

I øvrigt er jeg langt fra enig med dig i at genpuljen er stor og bred, racen er stor ja, men bygget på få linjer og i nogen tilfælde ganske overbrugte linjer.

Det er den samme udfordring, der gør sig gældende i burmeseren - og sikkert også andre racer :frowning:

[QUOTE=En forhenværende bruger;1105679]
I øvrigt er jeg langt fra enig med dig i at genpuljen er stor og bred, racen er stor ja, men bygget på få linjer og i nogen tilfælde ganske overbrugte linjer.[/QUOTE]

Jeg har ikke lige nået at læse det hele ordentligt (bare skimmet), da jeg lige læser i pausen på mit kursus, men min første tanke da jeg læste start-oplægget er netop. “Hvor har du fra at genpuljen er stor?” Det er ikke det der er min tanke når jeg både ser analyser af maine coonens DNA materiale, samt gennemgår forskellige individers stamtavle på pawpeds :slight_smile: Så det En forhenværende bruger skriver her er også mit indtryk.

Analyserer du Maine Coonens DNA-materiale? :slight_smile:

Nej, men i forbindelse med mit speciale har jeg læst artikler hvor det har indgået :slight_smile:

  • Som bevis på hvad? :slight_smile: